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I have a coach saying keep your bat straight up in your stance to get the bat to the zone quicker,
I have mine angled toward the pitcher. Don't most players have a bat angled toward the pitcher and don't you have to get to this spot before you hit anyway? Barrel toward the pitcher handle toward the catcher. Thanks for help See pics
The bat is in the hand at 90 degrees to the forearm in a neutral position. As the hands raise above the elbow, the bat slants forward. Anyone who holds the bat slanted backwards, has his hands low and usually raises them at the start of the swing or they have a loose grip on the bat but they get to the proper grip before swinging. It is all pretty much the same swing once they all get moving.
I prefer not to hold the bat vertical because I like the feel of the weight of the barrel in relation to the handle. I prefer not to hold the bat slanted back because I like to use the momentum gained starting from a bat forward position.
the more vertical the bat, the lower its moment of inertia (it becomes easier to move in the desired direction). the pictures above show people in various stages of their swing, some have yet to stride and some have already completed the stride so the pictures are irrelevant.
I would say that stacked and still would be scientifically ideal hand position prior to stride, but batting is about feel and comfort. the bottom line is that people will do what feels right. the only time someone should look to change is if the hand position combined with everything else they do before slotting the bat is upsetting proper timing.
angling the bat forward will not make you a better hitter.
Artificially slotting the elbow can cause issues as well, such as "bat drag". Basically, the rear elbow leads the knob of the bat into and sometimes through the zone creating a longer swing.
What is artificially slotting? To me, it is when a player forces his elbow to tuck into his side, thus allowing, or forcing, the elbow to pass the knob during his swing. Watch for this if you can see it, but video really shows it.
They sure do, Kip and it in't good because it creates bat drag in most-not to mention the elbow going down is the primary reason the front shoulder goes up. Not a bad thing if that is after the front heel plants, but start this too early and the front shoulder is up before the front heel plants. I try to get them thinking about keeping the back elbow back as long as possible. Some coaches/dads yell out 'get the back elbow up', which is basically the same thing. The difference is that most of them don't know why they say that, just that they were told to do that when they were young.
The pictures above show hitters in their pre-swing movements and it doesn't matter, in most cases, where the bat is located as long as they get their hands and bat in position at Launch-front heel planted, back knee pinching in, back releasing form the ground, etc. As far as linear hitters, it seems to me with laying the bat back behind the body causes some issues as well...to me a longer swing as they drag the bat through the back of the zone to the front of their front foot for contact. The end of the barrel is essentially 3-6 or more inches behind the back foot.
Does anyone have any pics of hitters not in this position? Can anyone find one?
This is a basic hitting position.
At foot strike, this is a base position. Not everyone gets there the same way, but guys who can hit get to the position shown in the above pics.
Awesome place for thought sharing!
I should read more carefully. I will add that stances are over coached. Launch position, stride, power position, trigger, etc. is a common goal.
Great points Kip,thank you for posting .especially the part about spine tilt I think a lot of kids should realize how much that can help .and the power it can generate.