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where to stand in batters box

Started by Will Laurence. Last reply by Kelly Kleinman Aug 25. 3 Replies

Where do you teach players to stand in the batters box when hitting?At the highest levels you see everyone as far back in the box as possible, but is this the case for the youth level?I hear "move up…Continue

Tags: standing, stance, box, batters, hitters

Tracking Quality At-Bats

Started by Bill Stanton. Last reply by Richard Lovell Jul 23. 10 Replies

I'm coaching a new 8U team starting very soon.  Obviously, we will keep score of the games, but I do not want to publish stats for 8 years olds.  Last season I had an 11 year old tell me his OPS was…Continue

Tags: at-bats, confidence, fun, hitting, coach

What happens when a player listens to his dad/coach?

Started by Kelly Kleinman. Last reply by Kelly Kleinman Jul 23. 3 Replies

Wouldn't it be nice if our kids/players actually listened to our words of wisdom?  I have a pair of twins named Cato and Casey.  We were fortunate to have helped lead our 11U Thousand Oaks Little…Continue

Trend Against Tees, Soft Toss, etc.

Started by Mike Torres. Last reply by Michael Richards Mar 6. 13 Replies

Been quite a while since I've been on CheckSwing. With five kids, the first one now in college, among other life happenings, time has just flown by.This may have been dealt with in previous months,…Continue

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Comment by bill kenik on Saturday

rod, from your responses to me, it appears you make many assumptions.

and unsubstantiated at that.

if I am understanding what you've stated, you have somehow concluded or assumed I was talking about swing power after contact has been made.

if I have that correct, I have no idea what you read in my comments to lead you to that conclusion.

another problem I have with your comments is your contradictory statements.

you stated that golfers and loggers don't open their hips. then you state you didn't state this.

you need to reread your posts.

and maybe the problem is you've left out a few key and necessary words.

either way, I presented what you stated that was in conflict with your earlier comments and you just ignored it.

it's hard to have an intelligent, meaningful dialogue if one or more parties doesn't express exactly what they mean.

at the present time, in absence of any other information, all you've done is contradict yourself with respect to your comments to me.

and this includes you stating that I presented something I didn't.

Comment by Rod Haney on Friday

  

    Rich,

     I don't know what time zone you're in ,but if you're in the same one I'm in..

 ......DON'T YOU SLEEP ?????

    E-mail @ midnight ........(you didn't wait for reply I hope )

     I knew you couldn't resist.

     One word reply........RIGHT !

         Because of what you said about encountering argumentative people,I

     need you to understand I don't believe there is a right way or wrong way to

      train a young player to hit.

           There are different ways that produce different results.

            I will love to speak with you on the phone,but I believe our phone

            conversation will be much more productive if we have a good

            understanding of each others mind set.

                To lessen the burden of our e-mails,(and let you get some sleep)

           let's take one topic at a time.

                 And let me appear to be cute and insincere, and ask you if you

            agree that we want the balls' contact with the players' bat to be

            with-in the sweet spot area of their bat. 

                    Correct ???  (Bill....do you want to participate ?)

       Rod

                  

       

Comment by Rod Haney on Friday

 

    Bill............

      I can only reply with what I already told you I assumed.

      And that is when talking about the production of swing power....I thought

     everyone would be talking about the power of a swing that is delivered to

     the ball.

          Not power produced after the bat to ball contact transpired.

           For what ever reason I thought that would be a dumb thing to teach a

      young player.

           So for that assumption .......I apologize.

            Rod

Comment by Richard Lovell on Friday

Okay, rod, I just couldn't leave well enough alone..

I was pretty sure I couldn't answer with just a Yes or No...ha! Yes! (I already blew my one word answer, so what the hell)

Now I have to explain: this "selection" as you call it is actually an auto-adjustment the brain makes based on the players perfect swing that he has ingrained over thousands of repetitions...we call it "adjustments on the fly" based on pitch location and type of pitch. The legs play a role as do the shoulders...

As for the hour, I was estimating...maybe I could answer your question in less than an hour. A guy can hope, right?  Okay, I can see your sense of humor now. and yes, I am willing to discuss this with you if you are serious. I would also do a voiceover video with a MLB player showing you what I mean by all of this written word and send it in an email.

I actually answered this question: 

I said,...in the form of a question......''How do the hips produce swing power during the swing ? - My answer was, or at least the essence was that the hips are part of the Kinetic Link and must be utilized in the correct sequence to help produce power in the swing. Technically, the hips do not alone produce power.  The only way to produce power in the swing is by producing torque. Torque is produced by the separation between the hips and shoulders. Power can also be produced through ground force which is created with a weight shift.

Comment by Richard Lovell on Friday

Rod,

Yes...

Comment by bill kenik on Friday
this is copied directly from your post from yesterday:
"If opening the hips produces swing power....how come golfers don't do it..
and how come professional loggers don't do it when cutting a tree down with their axe ?"

have a nice day
Comment by Rod Haney on Friday

   Rich,

       Ditto.with your positions............with one possible set of questions.

    (surprised )

        Talk on phone for an hour !!!.............REALLY !

          One quick question......are you saying  (oh boy ) that a young player

       should be taught to select how they are going to swing their bat depending

        on where the ball is traveling ?

         Yes or no will do.    ( L O L  )

   Rod

       

Comment by Rod Haney on Friday

  

   Rich,

       I'm replying in order of receiving.

       Bill,

          I believe you have touched on the missing ingredient.

          I have not said a baseball player,a softball player ,a golfer,or a logger

      doesn't move,twist,....open their hips during the execution of their swing.

           I said,...in the form of a question......''How do the hips produce swing

      power during the swing ?

            You have emphatically pointed out that they all rotate,twist,open                ,initiate hip action during the execution of their swing,''after the club

      head,axe head,and barrel of bat have made contact''with the object they

      were hitting.

               Since I am of the belief the power is supposed to be produced to

       be delivered to the ball or tree,...let me reword my question.......

             How do the players' loggers' and golfers'' hips produce swing

         power.....prior to making contact with their target ?

                 And since I am now curious,..what does the golfer,logger,ball

         player do with the swing power they produce after they made contact

         with the ball and tree ??

                   Rod

              

Comment by Richard Lovell on Thursday

I had to break all my long windeness into parts. Hope you can follow:

Rod, (I am ready and I owe you an apology as well. My apologies for misinterpreting your sincerity).I have come across people on here and other forums that just want to be argumentative and aren't willing to listen to other experiences. They already have their mind made up and nothing you say will change it.  And you are welcome. I enjoy discussions such as this and it helps me learn as well. No disrespect taken and I am beginning to understand what you mean and I do not take it as pestering. As I stated in my response, you are truly not being argumentative and looking for answers, etc, I will help in any way I can. So, Fire away...

Let me elaborate on something: I often hear coaches come into my facility that repeat something they have heard, but do not understand the reasoning or purpose behind the statement or hitting "cue", so for that, I commend you on trying to better understand it. I would never expect an apology for trying to expand your knowledge and understanding. I realize that at times the written word can come across in various ways not intended…context and meaning are tough.

Comment by Richard Lovell on Thursday

Regarding the hips (I am making an assumption we are talking about a mistake pitch-a pitch down the middle about mid-thigh high, fastball. I will address that outside pitch question in a moment): The hips alone do not create power in the baseball swing. They are just a part in the kinetic link/chain. As I described earlier, the feet, knees, hips, core, chest/back, shoulders, arms and hands combined create that power...effortless power if performed in the correct sequence. Now this is obvious to me, but I will state it anyway. Some players will have more power than others, but in swinging with the correct sequence utilizing proper technique we can extract a particular players maximum out put. And as far as Ted says so, or Ted Williams said-what we have learned, or at least some of us, with the advent of slo-motion video in the last 20 years (golf is way ahead of us on this), Ted Williams pretty much saw 70 years ago. He didn't see everything, but he was way ahead of his time when he wrote "The Science of Hitting". You should check it out. Now, I will say I thought I gave you a pretty good explanation of how the hips help generate power in the swing. Let me try this: Place a tee at a point that when your front foot lands the ball will about 1-3 inches in front of your landing foot. Take your stance after your stride, so have your feet at their widest part just before you begin your weight shift or pre-swing movement. Begin to take your swing, but DO NOT USE YOUR LOWER BODY! Act as if your legs and hips are in cement and you can't use them. Use only your upper body to swing the bat and see how far or hard you hit the ball. Now, take your stride with your front foot landing about 1-3 inches behind the ball and use your whole body; refer to the kinetic link for sequencing.  Which ball did you hit hardest? I will go out on a limb and say the one that you utilized the kinetic link. Here is little more detail and I hope I am not jumping around too much.  Stride-this part of a players style and will be different from player to player. Stride as if you are falling and allow your front foot to get in the way to stop your fall and you land into a slightly flexed, front knee.  Controlled in other words, not a quick jab step into a straight front knee that causes your front shoulder to be up. You cannot create torque if your front shoulder is flying up or away. As you fall into your fled front knee and foot, your back knee pinches in and the back heel is released from the ground. We refer to the back knee initiating your swing because your stance and stride are part of your style, not your swing. I describe the totality of the swing in this manner: Stance, stride (Style) Universal Launch Position, Approach, Contact, Power-V/extension (the swing), and Finish or follow through (style again). A players style regardless of level is different, but through study of video we have found that there are 4 positions that 95% of all HOF MLB players got into.  All the way back to Joe Jackson through Stanton today.  As the front foot lands it creates ground force which as you push into the ground, that ground force travels back up your body and eventually out through your hands. For smaller players, this is very important-it helps them create as much bat speed and power as their little bodies can.

For your comment about how the hips move-you are correct. The front hip does appear to pull back as the back hip comes forward. This is rotating around your axis. Imagine a tether ball as it goes out, reaches its apex or full length and then is yanked back, Your front foot is essentially acting as a break which stops any lateral movement and then your body rotates around its axis. Is it full rotation, no, I do not believe it is, but that is the best way to describe it. 

 
 
 

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