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Let's talk hitting Mechanics

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Tracking Quality At-Bats

Started by Bill Stanton. Last reply by Don Ervin on Sunday. 8 Replies

I'm coaching a new 8U team starting very soon.  Obviously, we will keep score of the games, but I do not want to publish stats for 8 years olds.  Last season I had an 11 year old tell me his OPS was…Continue

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Trend Against Tees, Soft Toss, etc.

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Been quite a while since I've been on CheckSwing. With five kids, the first one now in college, among other life happenings, time has just flown by.This may have been dealt with in previous months,…Continue

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Comment by Don Ervin on July 31, 2014 at 10:56pm

Hey, Ted,

I agree with what you say, but what is missing in hitting conversations and instruction is what the great one Mr.Ted Williams stated and demonstrated in his book, "The Science Of Hitting" which was to" Let THE HIPS LEAD THE WAY," in his book on page 40 in my age old book of the 60's he has full body photo diagrams in color of his body with arrows showing how the hips should counter rotate in a circular contrary coil up movement to the incoming flight of the ball, "WIND UP," "THE SPRING" "COIL UP" "LOAD UP THE HIPS" and at the same time execute a very short 6 t0 8inch step, {STRETCH THE RUBBER BAND} between toe and knob, step in line to the pitcher and at he  proper time "UNCOIL" UNLOAD" "THE SPRING,""THE HIPS." I prefer to execute these body movements within their series of sequenced, chained reactive movements termed as "HIP TO SHOULDER SEPARATION" executed at the proper time in their proper sequence.

Whole body swinging is what gets batters in trouble with over rotating, opening up too soon, too early, rotating the head off the balls line of travel by simply not {LOCKING} ones {EYES} in {ON THE BALL} on exit from the pitchers hand to  contact, where one's head and eyes go, so goes one's body, one simply cannot hit what one cannot see. The optic nerve is the nerve that accurately transmits  visual information from the retina to the brain, then is processed by the brain and then is accurately transmitted to your body.

There are some people who do not realize that there are linear movements in  rotational hitting movements.

Don Ervin

Great Baseball-N

dfervin32@yahoo.com

Comment by Don Ervin on July 28, 2014 at 7:42pm

Hose,

You are correct by teaching your kids to keep their elbows down below the parallel line, below shoulder level which sets their hands in a good position and forms a nice even elbow to elbow distance, mine were basically measured at app 16 inches apart according to my height and arm length, which forms a nice inverted -V-, Bermuda triangle hand, arm and elbow position so when the upper body moves altogether keeping the hands inside of the ball in an up and down tilt {NOT ROTATIONAL,} led by the dynamic snap drive of the rear knee which also dynamic snap drives the hips and sets up the{tilt} position to give one's hands and arms good support from launch position to across the belly button  then when one takes the hands to contact the {ARMS,} the triangle lengthens out into a longer -V- Bermuda triangle position with still good support behind them.

No a high elbow will not allow one to hit with power.Whoever says so is apparently copying what they either see major leaguers do or are taking someone's uneducated guess, opinion and have not enough experience to know  that those major leaguers who display high elbows etc normally use high elbow positions for show and when the ball is in travel they bring their arm into a good position to approach the ball in flight.

An drill I use is to draw a line parallel toe to toe place the barrel end on the surface right on the line between the toes lay the handle loosely in the fingers, lift the barrel up and place it on the shoulder, then practice swings leaving the bat on shoulder until it is necessary for the knee, hips, hands, shoulder and arms to attack the ball. do this during tee and soft work also, and remember it is of the utmost importance for all batters to {LOCK THEIR EYES IN ON THE BALL RIGHT OUT OF THE PITCHERS HAND} and to also learn to detect the [pitchers hand position on every ball} {as it is leaving their hand,} {EVEN JUST BEFORE LEAVING THE HAND} remember the key {CUE} here is {LOCK THE EYES ON THE BALL} AS IT, OR EVEN BEFORE} {IT LEAVES THE PITCHERS HAND.}

Great Baseball - N-

Don Ervin

dfervin32@yahoo.com

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Comment by Jose M Hernandez on June 4, 2014 at 12:00pm

Thanks Bull, Bill, and Rod, for your info and insight. I really appreciate it.

Comment by Rod Haney on June 4, 2014 at 8:37am

 Yes there is a simple answer.and you provided it  .''As a player gets older, the pitching gets better.'' Hence the player has to become a better hitter.But because of the way most young players are initially trained to hit ,they develop a bat swing muscle memory that restricts the players ability to improve with the pitching.If a player is conditioned,season by season,to hit the best pitching they will face that season....they will be a great hitter.All players can be conditioned and trained to be good hitters.

Comment by Bill Stanton on June 3, 2014 at 10:08pm

Rod-  Here's my take.  Hitting a baseball is difficult. As a kid moves up in age the pitching gets better.

Why can't NBA players all shoot 90%? Why can't an NFL QB complete 100% of his passes? People can play guitar or piano for many years but not master the instrument.

I get your point, but don't think there's a simple answer.  I do think that hitting the ball keeps kids in the game. I like to focus on hitting with the young kids because it builds confidence.  Yes, throwing and catching is important as well, but if a kid has a strong day at the plate you will see a very big smile.

Comment by Rod Haney on June 3, 2014 at 8:55pm

 I don't usually get involved with what someone thinks,but old age doesn't arrive  alone and in my case it brought curiosity with it.

  I'd like to take advantage of the expertise available and ask a few questions.

  First....''What difference does it make what the players feet,knees,thighs, and    hips are doing if the bat doesn't make effective contact with the ball "???

  Second.....''Does a player have the ability to see a ball, hit off a bat, as it

  enters their glove ?????

  Third (last).....It is reported over 97% of young baseball and softball players

   quit playing prior to or as they enter high school.

    Because they can't hit.

    Why...... after playing years of ball, a player can't hit ????

    I 'm just asking.

Rod Haney

Comment by BILL SANDILLO on June 3, 2014 at 2:17pm

I agee with Coach Bull. As someone who has worked in MLB and worked with all types of hitters, its proven that you can put a "Hitting System" together, from stance to finish that helps all Hitters of different ages and abilities get better. Everyone has what I call their own swing "DNA" but at certain spots in the swing they all look the same. 

Comment by BRANDON BULL on June 3, 2014 at 1:49pm

Just one mans opinion - I think it depends on the players age and skill set.  I teach the young players the basic hitting fundamentals and try to keep it as simple a possible.  That includes lining up the door knocking knuckles which brings the elbow down.  I think if you have a player who has solid balanced base and keeps his hands inside the ball which means he clears his hips, has good weight transfer etc than I think the elbow doesn't matter because hes getting through the ball regardless.  But I also dont feel outside the basic fundamentals that each player should have the exact same swing.  As long as it is fundamentally sound and they are in a good hitting position than let them develop what is comfortable for them. 

Comment by Jose M Hernandez on June 3, 2014 at 1:34pm

Back Elbow Up or Not???

I've heard from some that raising the back elbow gives you more power and I've also heard that it gives you more of an all or nothing swing. I personally prefer more contact and higher average than power (if I had to choose), so I don't teach my own kids to raise the back elbow, but then their team coaches ask them to do it. Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Comment by Richard Lovell on February 27, 2014 at 11:17am
Ted, Dave, Mike and...,
Interestingly, a man with the same first name, Ted, arguably considered the greatest hitter of all time, unequivocally stated that he NEVER saw his bat hit the ball. It has also been claimed by others that he was such a great hitter because of his great eyesight. Curious then how a coaching truism such as "keep your eye on the ball" has stayed around for so long. It has been scientifically proven that you lose sight of the ball approximately eight feet in front of home plate; google it.
As far as stance, it's part of a players style, not his technique. Whatever is comfortable for the player, as long as it doesn't interfere with getting to the universal launch position, is ok. This is the part of cookie-cutter I think most coaches and "hitting instructors" get wrong. You can argue all you like, but it's proven day in and day out...Bonds, Mays, Aaron, Ruth, Gherig, Jackson, Thome, Mauer, Gerrero, and the list goes on, had different styles or stances if you prefer, but at launch-pretty much the same. Stance/styles are so different, but at launch-all are in the relative same position: front heel down/planted, front shoulder tilted slightly down, bat close to or against the shoulder, hands at approximate shoulder height, rear knee pinching towards front and heel beginning to raise off the ground. Can you what if me on this or we'll...? Sure, depending on pitch location, but this is the universal launch position on a middle/middle in pitch which is where the money is made in MLB.once the mechanics are perfected on this pitch, 2,000-3,000 swings/reps later, the brain and body make the necessary adjustments to other pitch locations. Is it important to see the ball well? Sure, at release from the pitcher's hand and before it is half way the brain has already made the calculations as to speed, trajectory, etc.
I'm sure to have ruffled some feathers and "riled" one or two up, but all I am saying is I think a lot of people either try and sale their gimmick for being an expert and haven't truly studied the MLB swing under high speed/slow motion with an open mind or really don't understand. It's like telling a player to throw his hands or swing down and hit the top half of the ball. If the MLB players don't do that then why are we teaching our young players to do it? Why would you tell a hitter to do exactly what a pitcher wants you to do?-hit a ground ball...silly to me. Hit it hard on a line and you will be successful. A base hit is a bonus. Enjoy.
 
 
 

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