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Let's talk hitting Mechanics

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The "Old" vs "New" Swing

Started by Dave Vaccaro. Last reply by Dave Vaccaro Nov 2, 2018. 11 Replies

In this day and age of the “new” swing where an upward plane is over-exaggerated, it’s tough to decipher right from wrong.  This is especially true for players who bounce back and forth from coaches…Continue

Toe Tap vs. Leg Kick- what do you think?

Started by Bill Stanton. Last reply by Dave Vaccaro Oct 4, 2018. 3 Replies

Interesting article below using Lucas Duda and Jose Bautista as examples.  It debates the use of a "toe tap" vs. the use of a "leg kick".  Is there a right or wrong approach…Continue

Tags: Bautista, Jose, MLB, Lucas, Duda

H.S. Tryouts...

Started by Jose M Hernandez. Last reply by Grant Clifford Feb 10, 2016. 6 Replies

H.S. tryouts are getting set to begin in our area... Any ideas on how to help a Freshman on getting ready? Thanks.Continue

Tags: school, high, team, baseball, Tyrouts

Soft Toss?

Started by Grant Clifford. Last reply by Robin Cox Oct 14, 2015. 8 Replies

More and more I am thinking that soft toss is useless.The angle...  from the side just isn't working for me. It's convenient when an L-screen isn't available or for quick pre-game warmup.. but I…Continue

Tags: toss, soft, hitting

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Comment by Chris Bilello on August 25, 2015 at 3:12pm

There's a lot of information out there about the baseball swing, with some advocating a more linear swing while others are big fans of what is being called a rotational swing.  We have done some video analysis with our organization and have seen that most of the great power hitters use a circular hand path and not a "hands to the ball" approach, which is the case for the linear swing.  But even those who are considered singles hitters and linear hitters all use their lower body very well.   There's a great comment below about Ted Williams and "The Science of Hitting" and the Splendid Splinter seemed to be ahead of his time when it came to hitting fundamentals.  Guess that's why he's one of the best ever.  We also teach our kids to focus on an area near the pitcher's release point since it's virtually impossible to follow a ball all the way and there are two areas where a pitched ball can not be seen...one is right after release.

Check out www.playgreatbaseball.com for more info on the swing.

Comment by Richard Lovell on July 23, 2015 at 10:45am

This is to Rod Haney;

What kind of hitting technique would you recommend teaching to young players?Why wouldn't you compare the technique of a young player to that of a MLB player? To aspire to hit like the best in the game is what every player, regardless of age should be. Didn't you grow up trying to emulate your favorite player? Fortunately, today we can see swings with high speed cameras and take the guesswork out of it. Young players that can't hit because they are being taught to hit like MLB players? Seriously? I have a 95% success rate and work with some of the best hitting guys in the business and the kids are thriving with the knowledge of how the swing really works. Not how some coaches think the swing works. Not teaching the MLB swing would be like teaching young football players, or futbol, to play a different game than the pros. Or to throw or kick the ball, or run the ball differently than the elite players. Or young athletes who want to compete in track and field to run or jump differently than the elite athletes at higher levels. That just doesn't make any sense to me.

And to answer your question, how do the hips produce power? The hips don't necessarily produce power in the swing. It is a culmination of body parts, but more specifically to your question - power - power is created by mass and force. The force is created by the separation (toque) of the upper and lower body which the hips happen to be part of the lower body. The slingshot effect of the upper body being yanked through the zone is what creates bat speed and force is created by having a heavy enough bat, controlled by the hitter, to create mass and force through the ball. And yes, if a hitting instructor knows/understands how the swing really works and doesn't just spout off or repeat what they heard 20, 30 or 40 years ago, a player can be taught how the technique  players can improve their quality at bats. Bestof luck to you.

Comment by Rod Haney on March 4, 2015 at 2:52pm

   It must be the lack of continuity.

   We started with the decline of young players participation with baseball.

   How we got to comparing major league players batting mechanics to

    young players, I don't know.

    So let me try this.

     There is over a 90% drop rate in the # of young players from the age

     of 10 to the age of 14.

       My experience and research suggest young players quit playing                       because they can't hit. (I'm beginning to understand why if they're

     being taught to hit like major league players)

      So I ask......how do the hips produce bat swing power ???

      The responses I get.....quotes/thoughts/theories..... of major league ball

       players..

      Will one of you coaches please explain to me how the hips produce bat

      swing power during the execution of a bat swing ??

       Rod

      

   

    

Comment by Richard Lovell on March 4, 2015 at 12:43pm

Brandon,

For 8, outstanding. Are there some things he can improve on? Everyone can always improve, but at 8 he is not he right track. Loe the way he gathers his weight to his back leg with his leg kick and then transfers to his front leg/foot. Front shoulder stays down at heel plant-another great move. If I would watch anything right no is his extension after contact.  Make sure he is extending through the path of the ball and not turning to soon...looks great for almost any age.

Comment by Bill Stanton on March 4, 2015 at 11:25am

Saw this in Buster Olney's column about Miguel Cabrera:

Cabrera once explained that the crucial information he needs can be gleaned as the first and second batters of the game are hitting. From the on-deck circle, Cabrera will see how hard the opposing pitcher is throwing, and then after he gets in the batter's box, Cabrera said, he will learn what he needs to know from the first pitch thrown to him. If it's a breaking ball or something hard low and away, then Cabrera knows the pitcher is probably going to be more passive. If the first pitch is a fastball inside, then Cabrera knows the pitcher is probably going to be aggressive.

Comment by Don Ervin on February 3, 2015 at 7:56pm

Hey Rod.

You have mentioned "MUSCLE MEMORY." in your comments, muscle memory is a misnomer, there is no such thing as muscle memory, muscles have no memory capabilities, One's brain is one's command center that compiles and sends messages to their proper destinations within one's body, although there are things the eyes must pick up before the brain can initiate it's message sending process. 

Great BaseNall-N

Don Ervin

dfervin32@yahoo,com

Comment by BRANDON BULL on February 1, 2015 at 12:25pm

Here is Bryden a year later since my last post.  I received a lot of great feedback I would appreciate any comments you guys might have.  He is 8 years old here.

Comment by Bill Stanton on October 16, 2014 at 11:55am

Coaches-  Please take a look at this player's video and provide some feedback.

http://www.checkswing.com/video/video-uploaded-on-october-16-2014

Thanks!

Comment by Don Ervin on July 31, 2014 at 10:56pm

Hey, Ted,

I agree with what you say, but what is missing in hitting conversations and instruction is what the great one Mr.Ted Williams stated and demonstrated in his book, "The Science Of Hitting" which was to" Let THE HIPS LEAD THE WAY," in his book on page 40 in my age old book of the 60's he has full body photo diagrams in color of his body with arrows showing how the hips should counter rotate in a circular contrary coil up movement to the incoming flight of the ball, "WIND UP," "THE SPRING" "COIL UP" "LOAD UP THE HIPS" and at the same time execute a very short 6 t0 8inch step, {STRETCH THE RUBBER BAND} between toe and knob, step in line to the pitcher and at he  proper time "UNCOIL" UNLOAD" "THE SPRING,""THE HIPS." I prefer to execute these body movements within their series of sequenced, chained reactive movements termed as "HIP TO SHOULDER SEPARATION" executed at the proper time in their proper sequence.

Whole body swinging is what gets batters in trouble with over rotating, opening up too soon, too early, rotating the head off the balls line of travel by simply not {LOCKING} ones {EYES} in {ON THE BALL} on exit from the pitchers hand to  contact, where one's head and eyes go, so goes one's body, one simply cannot hit what one cannot see. The optic nerve is the nerve that accurately transmits  visual information from the retina to the brain, then is processed by the brain and then is accurately transmitted to your body.

There are some people who do not realize that there are linear movements in  rotational hitting movements.

Don Ervin

Great Baseball-N

dfervin32@yahoo.com

Comment by Don Ervin on July 28, 2014 at 7:42pm

Hose,

You are correct by teaching your kids to keep their elbows down below the parallel line, below shoulder level which sets their hands in a good position and forms a nice even elbow to elbow distance, mine were basically measured at app 16 inches apart according to my height and arm length, which forms a nice inverted -V-, Bermuda triangle hand, arm and elbow position so when the upper body moves altogether keeping the hands inside of the ball in an up and down tilt {NOT ROTATIONAL,} led by the dynamic snap drive of the rear knee which also dynamic snap drives the hips and sets up the{tilt} position to give one's hands and arms good support from launch position to across the belly button  then when one takes the hands to contact the {ARMS,} the triangle lengthens out into a longer -V- Bermuda triangle position with still good support behind them.

No a high elbow will not allow one to hit with power.Whoever says so is apparently copying what they either see major leaguers do or are taking someone's uneducated guess, opinion and have not enough experience to know  that those major leaguers who display high elbows etc normally use high elbow positions for show and when the ball is in travel they bring their arm into a good position to approach the ball in flight.

An drill I use is to draw a line parallel toe to toe place the barrel end on the surface right on the line between the toes lay the handle loosely in the fingers, lift the barrel up and place it on the shoulder, then practice swings leaving the bat on shoulder until it is necessary for the knee, hips, hands, shoulder and arms to attack the ball. do this during tee and soft work also, and remember it is of the utmost importance for all batters to {LOCK THEIR EYES IN ON THE BALL RIGHT OUT OF THE PITCHERS HAND} and to also learn to detect the [pitchers hand position on every ball} {as it is leaving their hand,} {EVEN JUST BEFORE LEAVING THE HAND} remember the key {CUE} here is {LOCK THE EYES ON THE BALL} AS IT, OR EVEN BEFORE} {IT LEAVES THE PITCHERS HAND.}

Great Baseball - N-

Don Ervin

dfervin32@yahoo.com

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