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Gregg- Great info here! I have friends who use the bamboo or composite as BP bats, but they should never be used in a game.
Mike- My understanding is that MSBL allows aluminum bats. Your league can choose what to use. Is this not the case?
While on the wood bat discussion I'll add my 2 cents worth again.
Composite wood bats and bamboo's, etc are not comparable to a good wood bat. Some composite's have a thin hollow plastic tube inside with a rubber type handle. The barrel is hollowed out wood and slipped over the tube and glued together. The end result is a poor product. I agree they last a long time. The same with mixed wood composites and or bamboo. It's poor quality wood, glued together. How many times have you squared a ball up and it just doesn't go very far? It's not your age or strength, it's the bat!
I just had to jump in on the metal bat ( I classify anything other than wood as a metal bat here) issue going back to the late 1980's. I was there as well for the founding of the adult baseball boom as well. I agree that metal had a significant place in the adult baseball boom. Many of us played high school/college ball and after that it was work or family. We either played softball or did nothing. I did a little of each. When baseball began in the late 1980's wood bats weren't designed and or easily available for amateurs. Only pro's used wood. Metal was easy to swing, long sweet spots and you got a basehit off the end of the bat or handle. It made players out of shape and not good players to start decent hitters and good players hit bombs and everyone felt good. Most wood bats in that time frame were thick handle, thick barrel bats that weren't balanced or designed for amateur players. There were no Victus, Marucci, Old Hickory's back then making amateur bats. The old aluminum bats with a thin handle & huge barrel and -5 drop were a lot of fun to hit with.
The problem was metal developed poor hitting skills because you could get that cheapie hit so a ball out of the strike zone was hittable. The wood craze made players better hitter's because you must hit a ball in the zone to square it up.
As metal developed and became much stronger and harder the game evolved again because it was scary playing the infield with some 30 year old player swinging metal. Decent wood became available and players started going back to the origins of the game. Today's metal is awful. Honestly, after age 10 it should be banned from all play. Good wood bats hit the ball as far, if not further than today's metal bats. All players should swing wood in practice even if they insist on using metal in a game. It's a shame to see high school & colleges use metal. High schools and colleges are slowly changing. Again, if you buy the right wood bat it lasts. I played 90+ games last year and broke 3 bats. All three were on me, not the bat, 2 off the end and one handle shot. That's as cheap as 1 good metal bat and a hell of a lot more fun. That ping sound from metal makes me cringe! By the way, I switched to wood long before I started Victus.
No, it's your arrogance that is truly "laughable".
MSBL started as an Aluminum bat league, which was far less expensive.
I was there, as one of the 1st managers in 1988.
Clearly you were not.
Again, there would never have been an MSBL to start with, had Aluminum bats not been allowed.
The expense would have driven everyone away.
Thanks for your comments. MLB approval isn't just about paying a fee. MLB has an independent company that we have to send bats to for testing. Bats must meet certain density standards and we have to report where we buy the wood and each player order is reported as to length, weight, wetc to make sure standards they set are followed. As well they monitor bat performance from Spring Training through the minor league Fall season. Every broken bat is an issue with them. They make sure stains and finishes are proper and grains are straight and any multi piece fractures are examined. I can agree that an non MLB company can make decent bats but in the event of a injury or worse an MLB approved company carries 10,000,000.00 in insurance. I'd ask any bat company if they have at least 1,000,000.00 coverage for liability before I'd let my team or league buy their bats.
Wow! Gregg-- That is awesome info. I learned a great deal from reading your post.
I disagree a little bit about buying from "MLB approved". My understanding is that a bat co. gets ML:B approved to sell to MLB players and it's expensive to get that approval. I have used several bats that were great bats, from companies not MLB approved. I think they just focus on amateur baseball.. but make great bats.
100% agree that you will not find a good quality wood bat at a big sporting goods retailer. The guys I mentioned before who broke bats every weekend usually shopped there.
Mike- You should connect with Gregg and try to make a deal for your league.
I'd like to jump into the wood bat discussion from an informed point of view. If you purchase a high quality wood bat you first need to be informed as to what you are buying. #1 - Buy from an MLB approved provider, #2- Know what model you are getting (a Pro Cut or un named model is a bad idea), #3 - Maple & Birch must be ink dotted or don't buy them. Know what a real ink dot looks like and understand the bleed line it shows. 3% deviation of the bleed is a bad piece of wood. #4- Don't buy in Dicks/Sports Auth. They but the the cheapest stuff they can. #5- Don't fall for the "Pro Wood" promise. Only #1 grade wood is pro wood and I can assure you the big boys like L/ville, Marucci, Old Hick are not selling you this wood. MLB requires a straight grain bat. Learn how to follow the grain of the bat from the knob to the barrel. #6 - Most bat companies don't send you the real pro model. If you think your 243 is a pro bat you are mistaken most times. Bat companies protect certain weight categories of billets used for pro bat or they could never fill orders for pro's. #7 Buy only bats turned from SPLIT billets, not sawn wood. Sawn wood is merely sliced thru the wood while split wood is a natural split along the grain. #8 - Specialty sealers and high gloss lacquer finishes are very important. Low end producers cannot afford to have these blended by a manufacturer and use lower end finishes that do not last very long and cause denting & ball marks in your bat reducing its life.
Bat making is more a science than players know. A #1 grade piece of wood is straighter grained, hand split and harder than anything else. Be informed and ask questions and your bats will last a long time, hit harder and further. Don't buy the name because you see it on TV. Do your home work.
There are too many garage start up bat companies jumping in the market with little knowledge and bats that aren't balanced. Bats need turned on a CNC lathe to insure consistency of the bat. While it sounds nostalgic to hear terms like "handcrafted or hand turned" the bats aren't consistent.
Gregg Balin, CEO VICTUS
Victus Sports CHANGING THE GAME
The game is wood, will always be wood and that is that. Your point of view about wood is just laughable.
I thought it might be nice to provide a little bit of personal, historic perspective on the MSBL.I was in Medical School in 1988 (in Norfolk, VA) when the MSBL was first started, and I was one of the first 3 managers for our 3-team league in that area.For my team, it was a complete disaster. The 2 other teams were a bunch of guys that already knew each other and had played together. My team was the one that got all the unattached free agents.I ultimately managed the team because no one else was willing, and that was the only way there was going to be a 3rd team, and thus the only way there was going to be a league. And it was the only way that I, myself, was going to be able to playI had a tough time getting enough players. And back then, we could only bat 9 players. I remember wishing we could bat more than 9 people, so I could offer everyone a spot in the batting lineup who came out. Fortunately, that changed sometime after that first year of 1988.But there was one thing we DID have going for us at that time--the unrestricted use of Aluminum bats.Had the MSBL come out as a Wood-Bat-Only league to start with, it would have never got off the ground.Using breakable wooden bats would have been prohibitively expensive back in 1988, and few would have been willing to play (and pay) under those conditions. Unfortunately, this lesson seems to have been largely forgotten in today's MSBL. Now many leagues have decided to go all "Wood Bat", thus thoughtlessly saddling players with the additional expense of replacing broken wooden bats.It make me wonder now, if like so many other things in our society, the MSBL has become another activity affordable only to the affluent. Or worse still, simply a revenue generator for wood bat manufacturers.The phony trend toward "authentic" wood bat leagues needs to be curtailed. There's nothing authentic about a once-a-week player using a 2nd rate wooden bat to hit a severely used baseball. (The Major Leagues use up to 120 balls/game. How many MSBLs use that many??).Regardless of what all the "authenticists" would like to believe, without Metal Bats, the MSBL would have long since ceased to exist.
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