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Comment by Will Laurence on February 19, 2014 at 11:16am

Wow!  Gregg--  That is awesome info. I learned a great deal from reading your post.

I disagree a little bit about buying from "MLB approved".  My understanding is that a bat co. gets ML:B approved to sell to MLB players and it's expensive to get that approval.  I have used several bats that were great bats, from companies not MLB approved.  I think they just focus on amateur baseball..  but make great bats.

100% agree that you will not find a good quality wood bat at a big sporting goods retailer.  The guys I mentioned before who broke bats every weekend usually shopped there.

Mike-  You should connect with Gregg and try to make a deal for your league.

Comment by GREGG BALIN (VICTUS SPORTS) on February 19, 2014 at 9:06am

I'd like to jump into the wood bat discussion from an informed point of view.  If you purchase a high quality wood bat you first need to be informed as to what you are buying.  #1 - Buy from an MLB approved provider, #2- Know what model you are getting (a Pro Cut or un named model is a bad idea), #3 - Maple & Birch must be ink dotted or don't buy them.  Know what a real ink dot looks like and understand the bleed line it shows.  3% deviation of the bleed is a bad piece of wood. #4- Don't buy in Dicks/Sports Auth.  They but the the cheapest stuff they can. #5- Don't fall for the "Pro Wood" promise.  Only #1 grade wood is pro wood and I can assure you the big boys like L/ville, Marucci, Old Hick are not selling you this wood.  MLB  requires a straight grain bat.  Learn how to follow the grain of the bat from the knob to the barrel.  #6 - Most bat companies don't send you the real pro model.  If you think your 243 is a pro bat you are mistaken most times. Bat companies protect certain weight categories of billets used for pro bat or they could never fill orders for pro's. #7 Buy only bats turned from SPLIT billets, not sawn wood. Sawn wood is merely sliced thru the  wood while split wood is a natural split along the grain.  #8 - Specialty sealers and high gloss lacquer finishes are very important.  Low end producers cannot afford to have these blended by a manufacturer and use lower end finishes that do not last very long and cause denting & ball marks in your bat reducing its life.

Bat making is more a science than players know.  A #1 grade piece of wood is straighter grained, hand split and harder than anything else.  Be informed and ask questions and your bats will last a long time, hit harder and further. Don't buy the name because you see it on TV.  Do your home work.

There are too many garage start up bat companies jumping in the market with little knowledge and bats that aren't balanced.  Bats need turned on a CNC lathe to insure consistency of the bat. While it sounds nostalgic to hear terms like "handcrafted or hand turned" the bats aren't consistent. 

Gregg Balin, CEO                        VICTUS

Victus Sports                      CHANGING THE GAME


Comment by Will Laurence on February 19, 2014 at 8:41am
Mike- I understand what you're saying. I've played with guys who would break a bat every weekend. The reality is that this is user error by these guys for the most part, but it still sucks to buy bats at this rate.
Aluminum bats are pretty expensive as well. I like the crack of the wood bat and feel that leagues are correct in going with wood.
You should reach out to some smaller wood bat companies. Ask them about buying in bulk. Round up a bunch of guys and place an order for 25 bats. Many companies will give you a nice discount. I found some nice bats from smaller companies in the Wood Bats Makers group on this site.
Comment by Mark Kreindler on February 19, 2014 at 1:59am

The game is wood, will always be wood and that is that.  Your point of view about wood is just laughable.

Comment by Mike Chap on February 19, 2014 at 1:55am

I thought it might be nice to provide a little bit of personal, historic perspective on the MSBL.

I was in Medical School in 1988 (in Norfolk, VA) when the MSBL was first started, and I was one of the first 3 managers for our 3-team league in that area.

For my team, it was a complete disaster. The 2 other teams were a bunch of guys that already knew each other and had played together. My team was the one that got all the unattached free agents.

I ultimately managed the team because no one else was willing, and that was the only way there was going to be a 3rd team, and thus the only way there was going to be a league. And it was the only way that I, myself, was going to be able to play

I had a tough time getting enough players. And back then, we could only bat 9 players. I remember wishing we could bat more than 9 people, so I could offer everyone a spot in the batting lineup who came out.

Fortunately, that changed sometime after that first year of 1988.

But there was one thing we DID have going for us at that time--the unrestricted use of Aluminum bats.

Had the MSBL come out as a Wood-Bat-Only league to start with, it would have never got off the ground.

Using breakable wooden bats would have been prohibitively expensive back in 1988, and few would have been willing to play (and pay) under those conditions. Unfortunately, this lesson seems to have been largely forgotten in today's MSBL.

Now many leagues have decided to go all "Wood Bat", thus thoughtlessly saddling players with the additional expense of replacing broken wooden bats.

It make me wonder now, if like so many other things in our society, the MSBL has become another activity affordable only to the affluent. Or worse still, simply a revenue generator for wood bat manufacturers.

The phony trend toward "authentic" wood bat leagues needs to be curtailed. There's nothing authentic about a once-a-week player using a 2nd rate wooden bat to hit a severely used baseball. (The Major Leagues use up to 120 balls/game. How many MSBLs use that many??).

Regardless of what all the "authenticists" would like to believe, without Metal Bats, the MSBL would have long since ceased to exist.

Comment by Mike Chap on September 17, 2013 at 12:59am

Sept 17, 2013,

Any players age 18+ interested in playing baseball in the Killeen/Ft. Hood/Copperas Cove (Central Texas) area are invited to come out for Mid-Texas Adult Baseball and the Bell-Coryell Outlaws. We practice or play every Sunday at Copperas Cove City Park, field 4, at 1 PM. Practices are open to anyone over the age of 18. Any type of bat is allowed: Aluminum, Carbon Composite, Wood, or any combination thereof. We are just now forming and there is no limit to the number of players we can acomodate, as we will form new teams as more players become available. Field location is 1206 West Avenue B in Copperas Cove, TX--which is 12-14 miles West of the main gate to Ft. Hood. For more information go to Mid-Texas Adult Baseball

Comment by Pat Conboy on September 7, 2013 at 11:11am

Hey guys, I would like to invite all of you to check out and join the Paul Bunyan Bats group here on checkswing, you can get specials, and even free bats occasionally! Join us today! 

Comment by ronny davis on February 9, 2013 at 12:03pm

my name is dedric davis i play of and i am looking to play college baseball

Comment by Dion Chamar Owens on January 29, 2013 at 9:10pm

If any team in the MSBL/MABL need an extra player in a state tournament this year, I am available to play. 

Comment by Miguel Curi on August 17, 2012 at 8:03pm

Looking for 2 players for the Fall Classic, pitchers and middle infielders.


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