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Ashes of an industry: A Pennsylvania tradition is dying, one baseball bat at a time

Started by Bill Stanton on Friday. 0 Replies

White ash bats from Pennsylvania and New York have been as prevalent and familiar in baseball as spikes. But soon, for the first time since at least the 1880s, the major leagues could be without any.…Continue

Tags: pennsylvania, lumber, wood, bats, ash

Machinery for bat turning operation for sale

Started by Matt Avery. Last reply by Chris Flores on Thursday. 3 Replies

I am selling my bat manufacturing machinery as detailed below.  After a couple of years of not producing bats, it's time to move on and move the machinery.  I prefer a bulk sale to include the items…Continue

CNC Lathe

Started by Jonathan Orr. Last reply by Chris Flores on Thursday. 1 Reply

Hi Everyone.  Looking to upgrade my bat production and have started looking at CNC lathes.  Of course this comes with a high price.  I have been looking at the major brands (Laguna, Motioncat)…Continue

Tags: Lathes

Wobble from steady rest

Started by Kevin sekula. Last reply by Mackenzie Bats (marcel ledrew) on Wednesday. 3 Replies

Good Morning,A few questions. I have been turning bats for about 2 years now and probably make about 100-150 bats a year for some of our local kids in travel ball. I have been running into a issue…Continue

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Comment by Chris Corso on March 6, 2012 at 9:54pm
Bill independent pro ball is not governed by the same set of rules as MLB. Each league generally sets a guideline but for the most part its not much.
Comment by Michael Paes on March 6, 2012 at 3:47pm

I may not be on the same level as most of the rest of you, but I have sold to customers from Little League and weekend warriors up to independent minor leaguers, and the subject of MLB approval has never been an issue.  If the quality is there, the players are happy.


It is a shame that the big players have gotten together with MLB in a scheme that prevents fair competition, but there is not much that can be done.

Comment by Andy on March 6, 2012 at 3:41pm

Thanks Chris. I am not discouraged by the discussion here. I learn here new things all the time and in fact am encouraged more often than not at the persistence of those who come here.  We are the little guys, sometimes though I think that is forgotten. It is a shame that MLB can escape normal rules of commerce by being the national sport and avoiding fair business practices. $30,000 minimum just to put a bat in the hands of too many millionaires and basically just for marketing is an incredible strain. I am focused on bringing affordable and durable bats to kids, but so many are driven by the social value of a tag not the real value of the merchandise. I have no illusions of ever competing with the big boys, but I do have a desire to meet the needs of my target market.

Again, thanks Chris

Comment by Bill Stanton on March 6, 2012 at 2:48pm

Does Independent Pro baseball use the same standards as MLB or are players free to use whatever bat they choose?

Comment by Chris Corso on March 6, 2012 at 2:41pm
Andy, don't get discouraged by disagreement. Roland is certainly in the know when it comes to dealing with all levels of professional baseball especially regarding ink dot tested bats. At the minor league levels it is the same as the major league when it comes to the rules regarding bats. However they don't police it as heavily for sure. Any bat without an ink dot is going to get thrown out if the game however. Its the first inspection umpires look at. Wood quality does decline at those levels but with ink dot rules in place the quality is still very good. Players are knowlegable about the equipment they use and for the most part do not buy junk at those levels and if they receive poor quality from one manufacturerer would more than likely switch companies quickly. There are too many options now to deal with a manufacturer that supplies bad quality. As for your approval just for the sake of the marketing aspect...keep in mind there is much more to the approval process than the $ is required and ut has been quoted to me at the very least price of around $17000. It must be an A-6 rated or better carrier which is what makes it so expensive. Others may have found it less expensive but that's the best I could do from a good friend in the insurance business. That amounts to selling an awful lot of bats to cover those expenses. We chose nit to go the MLB route. We have been approved in the past and have built our clientele over years. When people ask who swings our bats I say they are approved by all our clients. Id tour product is unique and of good quality you don't need MLB approval to sell it. Just keep cranking em out. We all disagree at some level but that's what leads to innovation. If we all agreed on the same thing we'd all be producing the same thing and never improve on anything.
Comment by Andy on March 6, 2012 at 12:09pm

To all, one reason I stay away from this site is it seems disagreement is frowned upon. I am trying very hard to make something happen through baseball bats. If anyone is interested in my motivations go to my web site and look up the our story page. I am not an expert, I am a coach, and former teacher. I am an admitted self taught ignorant bat maker. Believe it or not I have learned what I have learned by keeping my mind open to the opinions and suggestions of others

Comment by Andy on March 6, 2012 at 12:04pm


Roland, I was talking from my experience at various spring training facilities. Also I have seen the bats sent to players, in fact I have on in my hands right now, it is a Mariucci, it is painted all black and there is no white diamond for the ink stain. I also talked with several club managers who told me they purchase the bats for around $25 from one of the larger manufacturers. I realize that my opinions are subjective and I also know the bats are supposed to be of higher quality. I am not trying to be controversial or to make conflicts. Your information as always is pertinent and I believe accurate. My guess is if we go to a AA or A ball or rookie ball game and check the bats we will find that many do not conform to MLB standards. 

Comment by Roland Hernandez on March 6, 2012 at 11:56am




Here are the facts...


1.  Yes, MLB annual fees are $13,000


2.  Yes, every MLB-certified manufacturer has to a carry a $10 million liability insurance coverage.  (not cheap)


3.  ONLY those MLB-certified manufacturers can supply bats to MLB and MiLB players  (AAA, AA, A, and even the Rookie Leagues).


4.  ALL MLB-certified bat manufacturers need to abide by the wood quality rules, which focuses on slope-of-grain  (straighter-than-3-degrees).


5.  Starting in 2011, there are now density limits for maple.   There is even a list of approved species...  which prohibits the use of the likes of Silver and Red Maple -  to take the place of the stronger Sugar maple.


6.  I don't know where your statement is coming from?..   "lower minor leagues... are not the approved with ink dot models". ..  this is incorrect.


And there no data exists that tells us..  "most [minor league bats] are cast offs that a company cannot even sell to Dick's sporting goods." 


I would agree that the minor leaguers probably receive wood quality that is lower than the major leaguers.   But the rules say that they still must be ABOVE the minimum quality levels -  which were set in 2009.


If bats are found to NOT meet the minimum quality, then those are said to be "non-compliant"...    that's because there are now wood quality rules that exist.


To say that MOST bats are cast offs is completely incorrect.


Roland Hernandez, Founder




Comment by Andy on March 6, 2012 at 11:13am

As far as labels, I am lucky I live in the Ukraine where laser engraving the labels is an affordable option. I image if my bats get to the MLB since they are not ash I will have to go to some kind of transfer Decal, sticker or paint for the logo.

Comment by Andy on March 6, 2012 at 11:09am

Martin as far as I know to use a bat in any MLB affiliated program it must come from a certified manufacturer. This included batting practice. I have several minor league players wanting to use my bats. MLB recently raised the fee to $13,000 plus an insurance policy and perhaps a small manufacturer has to be sponsored by a team. The most remarkable thing about all of this is almost all bats sold to and used in the lower minor leagues by the certified manufacturer's are not the approved with ink dot models. In fact most are cast offs that a company cannot even sell to Dick's sporting goods. I find this type of hypocritical behavior disgusting. I am hoping to get my bats approved this year, not for the market, as major league players are a pain in the ass, but because when you have an unknown label like mine, everyone asks who uses it and thinks that a bat is only good if it is in the MLB. I would put any of my bats against what is used in the minor leagues.


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