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Billets

Started by Matt Rehkopf. Last reply by David George on Sunday. 1 Reply

The range of billets is 80-101 ounces for the most part, you'll find more light ones in ash and birch then maple.  We do guarantee 100 ounces  or less for an additional $1 per billet.  I do have…Continue

Newby and Lathe

Started by Matt Rehkopf. Last reply by Michael Paes on Saturday. 5 Replies

Hey Guys Im looking to buy a Lathe. I found a CENTAURO ( TC-1200 ) for 10,000. A CENTAURO T-4 for 13,000.Or should i just get a Jet lathe for 1,500 and buy a Vega Duplicator for 700. Im not looking…Continue

Lathe speed

Started by David George. Last reply by Thomas Bednark Apr 8. 9 Replies

I would appreciate any help on this - I have a two gouge lathe and I'm trying to figure out the turning speed for a success one pass cut - do I need to go faster or slower?  900RPM, 1500RPM or…Continue

CNC or Copy Available

Started by Chris Flores. Last reply by Pat Conboy Mar 31. 4 Replies

Anyone looking to sell a CNC or Copy Lathe?Continue

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Comment by Roberto Escamilla on March 11, 2012 at 3:55pm

Can anyone tell me about Champeau out of Quebec Canada. If they sell good billets. And there prices are good . $19.45 for pro select. Thanks Bob

Comment by Andy on March 11, 2012 at 1:36pm

Walter, you seem pretty interesting. I started making bats about 6 years ago. The first bats I made I hand carved, worked with knives, files and sand paper. I then bought a small handy lathe, then a bit larger. Now I have a Bulgarian semi automatic copy lathe. Semi automatic means that the tool sits on a saddle and with spring tension follows a template.

The wood I use Beech or the species of Beech I use grows only in one geographical region in the world, here in South Western Ukraine. I have learned some about this wood and bat making and every day learn more.

I look forward to exchanging ideas with you. If you go to my web site yayabaseballbats.com and look it over I would appreciate any feedback. Also on my face book is an old video of me making a bat, again feedback is always welcome. I want to continue to grow as a bat maker and my dream of building an academy here in Ukraine and providing some alternatives to the people I coach depends on the success of my small company.

Comment by Chris Corso on March 6, 2012 at 9:54pm
Bill independent pro ball is not governed by the same set of rules as MLB. Each league generally sets a guideline but for the most part its not much.
Comment by Michael Paes on March 6, 2012 at 3:47pm

I may not be on the same level as most of the rest of you, but I have sold to customers from Little League and weekend warriors up to independent minor leaguers, and the subject of MLB approval has never been an issue.  If the quality is there, the players are happy.

 

It is a shame that the big players have gotten together with MLB in a scheme that prevents fair competition, but there is not much that can be done.

Comment by Andy on March 6, 2012 at 3:41pm

Thanks Chris. I am not discouraged by the discussion here. I learn here new things all the time and in fact am encouraged more often than not at the persistence of those who come here.  We are the little guys, sometimes though I think that is forgotten. It is a shame that MLB can escape normal rules of commerce by being the national sport and avoiding fair business practices. $30,000 minimum just to put a bat in the hands of too many millionaires and basically just for marketing is an incredible strain. I am focused on bringing affordable and durable bats to kids, but so many are driven by the social value of a tag not the real value of the merchandise. I have no illusions of ever competing with the big boys, but I do have a desire to meet the needs of my target market.

Again, thanks Chris

Comment by Bill Stanton on March 6, 2012 at 2:48pm

Does Independent Pro baseball use the same standards as MLB or are players free to use whatever bat they choose?

Comment by Chris Corso on March 6, 2012 at 2:41pm
Andy, don't get discouraged by disagreement. Roland is certainly in the know when it comes to dealing with all levels of professional baseball especially regarding ink dot tested bats. At the minor league levels it is the same as the major league when it comes to the rules regarding bats. However they don't police it as heavily for sure. Any bat without an ink dot is going to get thrown out if the game however. Its the first inspection umpires look at. Wood quality does decline at those levels but with ink dot rules in place the quality is still very good. Players are knowlegable about the equipment they use and for the most part do not buy junk at those levels and if they receive poor quality from one manufacturerer would more than likely switch companies quickly. There are too many options now to deal with a manufacturer that supplies bad quality. As for your approval just for the sake of the marketing aspect...keep in mind there is much more to the approval process than the $13000...insurance is required and ut has been quoted to me at the very least price of around $17000. It must be an A-6 rated or better carrier which is what makes it so expensive. Others may have found it less expensive but that's the best I could do from a good friend in the insurance business. That amounts to selling an awful lot of bats to cover those expenses. We chose nit to go the MLB route. We have been approved in the past and have built our clientele over years. When people ask who swings our bats I say they are approved by all our clients. Id tour product is unique and of good quality you don't need MLB approval to sell it. Just keep cranking em out. We all disagree at some level but that's what leads to innovation. If we all agreed on the same thing we'd all be producing the same thing and never improve on anything.
Comment by Andy on March 6, 2012 at 12:09pm

To all, one reason I stay away from this site is it seems disagreement is frowned upon. I am trying very hard to make something happen through baseball bats. If anyone is interested in my motivations go to my web site yayabaseballbats.com and look up the our story page. I am not an expert, I am a coach, and former teacher. I am an admitted self taught ignorant bat maker. Believe it or not I have learned what I have learned by keeping my mind open to the opinions and suggestions of others

Comment by Andy on March 6, 2012 at 12:04pm

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Roland, I was talking from my experience at various spring training facilities. Also I have seen the bats sent to players, in fact I have on in my hands right now, it is a Mariucci, it is painted all black and there is no white diamond for the ink stain. I also talked with several club managers who told me they purchase the bats for around $25 from one of the larger manufacturers. I realize that my opinions are subjective and I also know the bats are supposed to be of higher quality. I am not trying to be controversial or to make conflicts. Your information as always is pertinent and I believe accurate. My guess is if we go to a AA or A ball or rookie ball game and check the bats we will find that many do not conform to MLB standards. 

Comment by Roland Hernandez on March 6, 2012 at 11:56am

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Andy...

 

Here are the facts...

 

1.  Yes, MLB annual fees are $13,000

 

2.  Yes, every MLB-certified manufacturer has to a carry a $10 million liability insurance coverage.  (not cheap)

 

3.  ONLY those MLB-certified manufacturers can supply bats to MLB and MiLB players  (AAA, AA, A, and even the Rookie Leagues).

 

4.  ALL MLB-certified bat manufacturers need to abide by the wood quality rules, which focuses on slope-of-grain  (straighter-than-3-degrees).

 

5.  Starting in 2011, there are now density limits for maple.   There is even a list of approved species...  which prohibits the use of the likes of Silver and Red Maple -  to take the place of the stronger Sugar maple.

 

6.  I don't know where your statement is coming from?..   "lower minor leagues... are not the approved with ink dot models". ..  this is incorrect.

 

And there no data exists that tells us..  "most [minor league bats] are cast offs that a company cannot even sell to Dick's sporting goods." 

 

I would agree that the minor leaguers probably receive wood quality that is lower than the major leaguers.   But the rules say that they still must be ABOVE the minimum quality levels -  which were set in 2009.

 

If bats are found to NOT meet the minimum quality, then those are said to be "non-compliant"...    that's because there are now wood quality rules that exist.

 

To say that MOST bats are cast offs is completely incorrect.

 

Roland Hernandez, Founder

http://www.rockbats.com/

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